====================================================================== CFJ 935 "Although all individual P-Note entities were destroyed by the PC proposal, the Currency class of P-Notes was re-established by R1701 immediately after their destruction by R1579, making it possible to legally issue POs for P-Notes since the PC proposal took effect." ====================================================================== Judge: Vlad Judgement: CFJ dismissed Eligible: Andre, Antimatter, Calabresi, Chuck, Elde, elJefe, General Chaos, Harlequin, Kolja A., Michael, Morendil, Murphy, Oerjan, Steve, Vlad, Zefram Not eligible: Caller: Crito Barred: - Disqualified: Vanyel On hold: - ====================================================================== History: Called by Crito, Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:42:58 -0400 Assigned to Vlad, Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:34:47 +0100 CFJ dismissed, Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:59:05 -0500 (CDT) Published, Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:53:53 +0100 ====================================================================== Judgement; to dismiss the CFJ Reasons and arguments: First of all, I should point out that I stand to gain 5 P-Notes if this CFJ is judged true. Although I am not sure what use they may be, this may be construed as a reason for me to judge TRUE. I will note that Rule 1701 seems to require the Promotor to pay me 5 P-Notes regardless of whether or not they exist. If this judgment is overturned on appeal, as I expect it to be, I would suggest he contact me privately to ask my price not to call him on that :-). Anyhow, as I was reading the relevant Rules I was all prepared to judge FALSE for the reasons Michael gave, namely that 1579 quite clearly seems to require the destruction of all P-Notes, as well as the Currency itself, in the absence of a Mintor specifically mentioned by the Rules (no nameless Mintors, sorry). That is, until I went looking for other relevant Rules. What does it mean for a Currency to be destroyed? I was quite prepared to accept a commonsense definition until I noticed Rule 1467 gives Rule-mandated procedures precedence. The procedure for the destruction of P-Notes as a Currency is given in Rule 1722: -------------------------------------------------------------- A Currency is destroyed when the Mintor of that Currency posts in the Public Forum stating that e is doing so, unless this destruction would be prohibited by the Rules. The Mintor of a Currency may not destroy that Currency if that Currency exists by virtue of being required to exist by the Rules. --------------------------------------------------------------- This definition is interesting. It clearly refers to the context at hand, but note that it requires the participation of the Mintor to destroy any Currency. The Currency termed P-Notes will only be destroyed when their Mintor announces they are. Since there is no Mintor, we will be waiting a while. Until then, by default they continue to exist. What about individual instances of P-Notes? The procedure for destroying them is given in Rule 1471: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Units of Currency are destroyed when any entity which possesses units of that Currency transmits to the Recordkeepor of that Currency a notice that e is destroying units of that Currency, specifying the number of units that e is destroying. An entity cannot destroy more units of a Currency than e possesses, however. The units destroyed are removed from the possession of the entity performing the destruction. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Although Rule 1579 clearly requires the destruction of all extant P-Notes, none are actually destroyed until the owners inform their Recordkeeper. (Who is he, by the way?) Until then, I assume that they exist normally, may be traded, etc. It is not completely clear to me whether or not the owners are guilty of breaking the Rules, but I would guess so. I note that this gives the Wizard the power to penalize his enemies by giving them Style Points (see Rule 1705). What, then, is the correct judgment? Unfortunately, there is not a single statement, but an amalgam of clauses. According to my analysis, the first two are FALSE, the last TRUE, and I am unable to determine to which I should give priority. I must conclude that at least one of the criteria (i, ii, or vi) listed in Rule 1565 for dismissing a CFJ applies, and I therefore do so. It also takes the heat off me, and puts it on somebody else. ====================================================================== (Caller's) Arguments: As I have noted in a previous post, the wording of R1579 indicates that it applies to the single instant at which a Mintor or Mint authority ceases to exist. Since R1701 continues in effect after that instant in time, it re-establishes a Currency called P-Notes that does not have a Mintor and is then not subject to R1579 since it defines a new Currency (albeit with the same name as an old one) for which a Mintor has never ceased to exist. ======================================================================