====================================================================== CFJ 908 "Whenever an Extra Vote is cast on a Disinterested Proposal, no transfer of EVs from the caster's Treasury takes place." ====================================================================== Judge: Andre Judgement: FALSE Eligible: Andre, Antimatter, Blob, Chuck, Crito, elJefe, favor, General Chaos, Harlequin, KoJen, Macross, Michael, Murphy, Oerjan, Steve, Swann, Vanyel, Zefram Not eligible: Caller: Morendil Barred: - On hold: - ====================================================================== History: Called by Morendil, Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:19:12 +0100 Assigned to Andre, Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:38:41 +0000 Judged FALSE, Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:47:55 +0100 (MET) Published, Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:09:21 +0000 ====================================================================== Judgement: FALSE Reasons and arguments: FALSE, trivially. When an Extra Vote is cast on a Disinterested Proposal, other actions might occur at the same time that cause the transfer of EVs from the caster's Treasury. Getting back to what is in fact meant, Rule 206/8 states that the casting of votes may only be achieved by the casting of Extra Votes. To me this means that the casting of the vote is a result of the casting of the Extra Vote, not the other way around. Therefore the transfer of the Extra Vote is not a result of the voting (but something having the same outside cause, namely the casting of the Extra Vote). Thus, even if the above trivial reason would not hold, I would still have judged FALSE. Thus humbly submitted to the courts on Wednesday 12 March 1997, ====================================================================== Evidence: Rule 206/8 (MI=2) Voting Entities and Votes A Voting Entity is an Entity which is generally authorized by the Rules to cast a vote or votes on a Proposal, although other Rules may withdraw this authorization from a Voting Entity in specific circumstances without that Entity thereby ceasing to be a Voting Entity. No Entity is permitted to vote on a Proposal unless it is a Voting Entity, and only those Entities designated by the Rules to be Voting Entities are Voting Entities. Players and Groups are Voting Entities. Each Voting Entity has two votes on a Proposal, unless another Rule says otherwise. However, no such Entity shall have more than five votes on any Proposal, regardless of what any other Rule may say to the contrary. The casting of any votes may only be achieved by the casting of Extra Votes, as specified in other Rules. ---------------------------------------- Rule 1623/4 (MI=1) Disinterested Proposals A Proposal is Disinterested if the text of the message wherein it is submitted explicitly states that it is a Disinterested Proposal. Whenever a Disinterested Proposal is distributed, it must be clearly marked as such. No transfer of Currencies, Blots or other Entities which occur as a result of voting upon or adoption of such a Proposal, other than those caused by the Proposal taking effect, shall take place, unless the Rule which requires the transfer explicitly states that the transfer applies to Disinterested Proposals. All Amendments within a Disinterested Proposal shall be Unattributed. This Rule takes precedence over any Rule seeking to effect transfers prohibited by this Rule. ====================================================================== (Caller's) Arguments: Reasoning : the Disinterested Proposal Rule states that no transfer is allowed "as a result of Voting on a DP". Transfers of EVs which occur when casting Extra Votes are a result of Voting on the Proposal on which they're cast; therefore they are disallowed. ======================================================================