From owner-nomic-official@teleport.com Sat Mar 30 16:17:46 1996 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA24348 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:17:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13231; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:10:29 -0800 Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:10:28 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA13204 for nomic-official-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:10:28 -0800 Received: from torii.triple-i.com (torii.triple-i.com [192.94.150.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA13191 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:10:26 -0800 Received: from siesta (siesta+.triple-i.com [192.94.150.7]) by torii.triple-i.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12263 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:09:54 -0800 Received: from pak by siesta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12172; Sat, 30 Mar 96 14:09:53 PST Date: Sat, 30 Mar 96 14:09:53 PST From: jlc@triple-i.com (Jeff Caruso) Message-Id: <9603302209.AA12172@siesta> Received: by pak (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20752; Sat, 30 Mar 96 14:09:52 PST To: nomic-official@teleport.com Subject: OFF: Judgement of CFJ 862: TRUE Cc: jlc@triple-i.com Sender: owner-nomic-official@teleport.com Reply-To: nomic-discussion@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO ====================================================================== JUDGEMENT OF CFJ 862 The Rules in general should be interpreted such that a Win Token Transaction as described in Rule 1493 can cause a Player's Win Token holdings to be negative. ====================================================================== Judge: Zefram Judgement: TRUE Caller: Morendil Barred: On Hold: Blob, Doug Eligible: Andre, Chuck, Coren, dcuman, elJefe, favor, Jtael, Kelly, KoJen, Michael, Murphy, Steve, Swann, Vanyel, Zefram Note: Zefram earns a Judicial Salary, which will be reported at the proper time. ====================================================================== History: Called by Morendil, Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:16:25 +0100 Assigned to Zefram, Wed, 27 Mar 96 06:43:59 PST Judged TRUE by Zefram, Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:37:33 +0000 (GMT) ====================================================================== Caller's Argument: I believe Rules 1472 and 1493 are sufficiently amended from their form at the time the (IMHO ill-considered) Judgement of CFJ 809 was made that the question ought to be reconsidered. WTTs are no longer Currency Transfers, so 1472 cannot prohibit negative WT holdings anymore. -[Morendil]- Misspelled? Impossible. My modem is error correcting. ====================================================================== Decision of Judge Zefram: TRUE Rule 1493 itself leaves open the possibility of negative Win Tokens by not explicitly considering the case. As there is no general Rule prohibiting negative holdings of Currencies, and no specific Rule prohibiting negative holdings of Win Tokens, it is indeed possible for WTTs to result in negative WT holdings. I note that even if WTTs were Currency Transfers, and hence governed by Rule 1472, it would still be possible to have a negative number of WTs. Rule 1472 does not actually prohibit negative Currency holdings, but is rather a definition of a Currency Transfer. Rule 1472 in fact does not explicitly permit any types of Currency Transfer, but requires that some other Rule permit a type of Currency Transfer for it to be legal. ====================================================================== -zefram