From owner-nomic-official@teleport.com Fri Feb 2 10:40:37 1996 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA27125 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:40:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA11790; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:23:30 -0800 Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:23:29 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA11764 for nomic-official-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:23:28 -0800 Received: from wing3.wing.rug.nl (wing3.wing.rug.nl [129.125.21.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA11713 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:23:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199602021623.IAA11713@desiree.teleport.com> Received: by wing3.wing.rug.nl (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA10107; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:22:23 +0100 From: Andre Engels Subject: OFF: CFJ 847 Judgement: TRUE To: nomic-official@teleport.com Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 17:22:22 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-nomic-official@teleport.com Reply-To: nomic-discussion@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO ====================================================================== JUDGEMENT CFJ 847 "The Rules should be interpreted that deregistration, by definition, when inintiated by the deregistering Player, occurs at the time the Player makes the request to deregister-- even when Rule 113 is invoked upon deregistration." ====================================================================== Judge: Murphy (defaulted) favor Judgement: TRUE Eligible: dcuman, favor, Jtael, Kelly, KoJen, Steve, Wes, Zefram Not Eligible: Caller: Swann Barred: Morendil On Hold: Blob, Dave Bowen, elJefe 1005: Andre, Michael, Pascal, Swann, Vanyel, Vlad Defaulted: Murphy Effects: Murphy gains 3 Blots for defaulting Murphy is not eligible to act as a Judge favor gains 5 Points for speedy Judgement ====================================================================== History: Called by Steve, 22 January 1996, 16:27 -0500 Assigned to Murphy, 23 January 1996, 12:55 MET Defaulted by Murphy, 30 January 1996, 12:55 MET Assigned to favor, 2 February 1996, 14:58 MET Judged TRUE by favor, 2 February 1996, 10:53 EST ====================================================================== Arguments: These need no arguments, all relivant info has spammed the PF over the period of crisis. I, in fact, have little oppinion on how these Statements should be resolved and will offer no argumenrts other than to plead for a difinitive and comprehensive judgement from the Judge on each of these so we can legally end the indertermancy of the gamestate. I would also ask interested parties to submit CFJs on the nature of the Currency Transfers that initiated the crisis. I, myself, have avoided the issue and lack the knowledge to come up with a difinitve statement for a CFJ. Swann ====================================================================== Reasons and Arguments, Judge: The Rules that cover self-initiated deregistration are few, and relatively clear. In particular, Rule 1043 defines the basic mechanism for it, and explicitly states that deregistration occurs at the time stamped on the message (it doesn't say exactly which of the various possible times, but as the same ambiguity occurs in the Statement here Judged, and as we have Game Custom on the issue, that's not a problem). Rule 1042 also describes a means of deregistration, but not of a sort "initiated by the deregistering Player". Rule 113 assures that Players may, despite any ordinary Rule to the contrary, always deregister at any time. Looking back, it would have been best if the Rule had just stopped there. The extra "rather than..." and "No penalty..." clauses of that Rule in fact add nothing to the sense of the Rule, but have caused considerable judicial activity. Fortunately, the Judgement in CFJ 853 tells us that Rule 113, whatever else it may do, does not allow deregistration to be retroactive. Since there is no reason to think that it allows deregistration to be *proactive* (i.e. in the future), the only remaining sort of deregistration is the obvious kind that takes place, per Rule 1043, at the time of the message. Hence this Judgement is TRUE. The Judge would recommend to all future Judges dealing with Rule 113/1 that they read it as though it simply said "A Player may always deregister from the Game rather than continue to play". That's what it means, and the other verbiage is too easy to misinterpret. Respectfully submitted, Judge favor