>From nomic-official-owner@teleport.com Thu Nov 16 10:03:00 1995 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA29676 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:02:58 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA23354 for nomic-official-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:55:01 -0800 Received: from wing3.wing.rug.nl (wing3.wing.rug.nl [129.125.21.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA23316 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:54:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199511161554.HAA23316@desiree.teleport.com> Received: by wing3.wing.rug.nl (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA02375; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:53:50 +0100 >From: Andre Engels Subject: OFF: CFJ 834 Judgement: FALSE To: nomic-official@teleport.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 16:53:50 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-nomic-official@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic-discussion@teleport.com Status: RO ====================================================================== JUDGEMENT CFJ 834 Rule 494 shall be interpreted such that if any Move refers to a random choice, the Speaker thall make that random choice. ====================================================================== Judge: elJefe Judgement: FALSE Eligible: Andre, Chuck, Coco, Dave Bowen, elJefe, favor, KoJen, Morendil, Oerjan, Saltwater, Steve, Vanyel, Zefram Not Eligible: Caller: Wes Barred: Michael On Hold: 1005: Effects: elJefe gains 5 Points for speedy Judgement ====================================================================== History: Called by Wes, 15 November 1995, timestamp lost Assigned to elJefe, 15 November 1995, 15:37 MET Judged FALSE by elJefe, 16 November 1995, 09:52 -0500 ====================================================================== Decision & Reasoning Judge: Judgement: FALSE The Statement is about Moves which refer to a random choice, presumably like the move Wes attempted in transferring a Kudo to a random player. However, in referring to "any" move the statement requires me to consider all types of moves that might refer to a random choice, and the statement is FALSE if it is false for any particular move. One such type of move is an Officer's act of reporting a random choice made under the Rules. For example, the Rulekeepor's selection of the Virus Number (Rule 1454). Other examples might be the Assessor's selection of a new owner for the Potato (Rule 1488), the CotC's selection of a Judge or Justice (Rules 408, 698, 911, 951, and 1448), and the Registrar's selection of a new Officer (Rule 790). Such a report is a Move, and certainly "refers" to the random choice that has been made, and in each case the choice is made by someone other than the Speaker. Rule 494 explicitly excepts itself from influencing these situations. Thus for this class of moves the statement is FALSE. In general, other types of Moves may or may not require the Speaker to get involved. It depends entirely on the language of the Rule which defines the Move, i.e. whether it requires a random choice to be made as an option of the Move, and whether it requires another party to make it. Considering the Move that may have inspired this CFJ, it seems to me that the Kudo rule (Rule 1378) refers to a Kudo transfer being made "to Player of eir choice." The Rules seem to require the choice (or "determination") to be made not by the Speaker, but by the Player making the transfer. ========================================================================== Additional Evidence: Rule 494/0 (Mutable, MI=1) Speaker Makes Random Determinations The Speaker shall make all random determinations required by the Rules except when the Rules specify another party to make the determination. ---------------------------------------- Rule 1378/2 (Mutable, MI=1) Kudo Transfers In each Nomic Week, each Player not On Hold (the Transferring Player) is permitted to transfer a maximum of two Kudos from Players of eir choice to other Players of eir choice, subject to these restrictions: 1) The Transferring Player is not permitted to transfer more than one Kudo from any Player, and is not permitted to transfer more than one Kudo to any Player, within the Week. 2) The Transferring Player is not permitted to transfer Kudos to emself. A Kudo transfer occurs when a Player sends to the Herald a legitimate Kudo transfer request, including a reason for the transfer. Other Rules are permitted to provide for other types of Kudo changes. ---------------------------------------- Rule 1454/1 (Mutable, MI=1) The Virus There is a Nomic Entity called the Virus which has the effect of altering the texts of Rules, in the manner and under the conditions set out below. This process is known as "infection". The effect of the Virus on a Rule, when it has an effect, is that of a non-Proposed Amendment to that Rule. Thus, the Virus can only be effective inasmuch as it satisfies the Rules for the effectiveness of non-Proposed Rule Changes. The selection of the Rule to be infected by the Virus occurs as follows: as soon as possible after the beginning of each Nomic Week, the Rulekeepor shall select a random integer in the range [M,N], where M and N are, respectively, the numbers of the lowest and highest numbered Rules at the beginning of that week. Call a number selected in this way a Virus Number. If the Virus Number selected is the number of a Rule, then that Rule is infected as described below, and no further Virus Numbers are selected in that week. If the Virus Number is not the number of a Rule, then a new Virus Number is selected as above, unless five such Virus Numbers (which are not the numbers of a Rule) have already been selected in that week. In that case, the Virus is ineffective and no Rule is infected in that week. The Rulekeepor shall publish the results of the selection process in the Public Forum within 24 hours of the completion of that process. If a Rule has been infected, e shall announce the number of that Rule. If no Rule has been infected, then e shall announce that no Rule has been infected. An infected Rule is amended in the following way, given that other Rules permit it: if the Rule does not already contain the sentence "This Rule defers to all other Rules which do not contain this sentence.", then that sentence is appended to the Rule. If the Rule already contains the sentence, then the sentence is deleted from the Rule. There is one exception to the above: if this Rule is the infected Rule, then this Rule automatically Repeals itself. Regards, - elJefe, Judge ****************************************************************** Dr. Jeffrey L. Caruso Information International ====================================================================== Relevant Rules: 494