>From nomic-official-owner@teleport.com Tue Nov 7 05:12:33 1995 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03836 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 05:12:31 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA08158 for nomic-official-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 03:05:22 -0800 Received: from wing4.wing.rug.nl (wing4.wing.rug.nl [129.125.21.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA08147 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 03:05:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199511071105.DAA08147@desiree.teleport.com> Received: by wing4.wing.rug.nl (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA22632; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:03:49 +0100 >From: Andre Engels Subject: OFF: CFJ 819 Judgement: FALSE To: nomic-official@teleport.com Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 12:03:49 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-nomic-official@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic-discussion@teleport.com Status: RO ====================================================================== ASSIGNMENT CFJ 819 If at any time there exists an Organization of a Class not specifically defined in the Rules, the Rules require that Organization to immediately dissolve. ======================================================================= Judge: Dave Bowen Judgement: FALSE Eligible: Andre, Chuck, Coco, Dave Bowen, Erick, favor, KoJen, Michael, Morendil, Oerjan, SugarWater, Vanyel, Vlad, Zefram Not Eligible: Caller: Swann Barred: Kelly, elJefe, Steve On Hold: Effects: Dave Bowen gains 3 Points for timely Judgement ====================================================================== History: Called by Swann, 31 Oct 1995, 01:11 -0500 Assigned to Dave B., 31 Oct 1995, 14:56 MET Judged FALSE by Dave B., 6 Nov 1995, 12:04 -0600 ======================================================================= Arguments: My statement is a natural consequence of the interaction of 1530 and 1397. The Reasoning is as follows. Presume the existence of an Organization that belongs to a Class nowhere referred to in the Rules. According to 1530: "A Compact can only have Jurisdiction over Players permitted to it by the Rules governing its Class of Organization." For this hypothetical Organization, no Rules exist that grant permission for its Compact to have Jurisdiction over any Player. 1530 says "only" players so permitted can be part of its Jurisdiction, so this hypothetical Organization has a Compact that has a Jurisdiction that contains no Players. In addition, because of this prohibition, this Organization can _never_ expand its Jurisdiction beyond an empty set. According to 1397: "An Organization ceases to exist when any of the following conditions become true: i) Its Compact ceases to have Jurisdiction over any Players and no provision exists for the Jurisdiction to expand." Obviously, the strictures 1530 places on Organizations of undefined Classes, all such Organizations fulfill clause i) of 1397 as soon as they come into existence, and therefore, immediately cease to exist due to 1397. ======================================================================= Decision & Reasoning Judge Decision: FALSE Reasoning: Rule 1530 states that "A Compact can only have Jurisdiction over Players permitted to it by the Rules governing its Class of Organization." An Organization of a Class not specifically defined in the Rules obviously has no Rule granting it Jurisdiction over any Players, so its Jurisdiction is the empty set of Players. As long as no Rule to grant Jurisdiction for this class exists, then the Jurisdiction remains the empty set. However, it is the opinion of this Judge, that the passage of a Rule defining an Organization of the given class would expand the Jurisdiction of the Compact. Thus I find that a provision to expand the Jurisdiction of the Compact does exist and hence, such a Compact is not required to dissolve under Rule 1397/2. ======================================================================= Evidence: Rule 1530/0 (Mutable, MI=1) Compacts: Jurisdiction The Jurisdiction of an Organization's Compact is a subset of the set of all Players. A Compact has no force to require, or oblige, anything of Players who are not within its Jurisdiction. (This does not absolve any Players of duties required of them by the Rules.) Within its Jurisdiction, a Compact's ability to dictate Players' activity is limited to the extent permitted by the Rules. A Compact can only have Jurisdiction over Players permitted to it by the Rules governing its Class of Organization. No Compact may have effect prior to its Creation, nor may it have effect subsequent to its dissolution. This Rule takes precedence over any other Rule governing Compacts. History: Created by Proposal 1760, Oct. 21 1995 ======================================================================== Rule 1397/2 (Mutable, MI=1) Dissolution of Groups An Organization ceases to exist when any of the following conditions become true: i) Its Compact ceases to have Jurisdiction over any Players and no provision exists for the Jurisdiction to expand. ii) The continued existence of the Organization would result in the absence of a Administrator (and/or the absence of an Executor in the case of a Orginization with Treasuries) with no provision for any Player to fulfill the role(s). iii) The Organization is required to dissolve in accordance with its Compact or the Rules. At the moment an Organization dissolves, the following occurs, in order. i) Any Currencies remaining in the Organization's Treasuries (if such exist) are distributed as provided for by other Rules. ii) All Players cease to be within the Jurisdiction of the Organization's Compact. iii) The Organization's Treasuries, Compact, and the Organization itself, cease to exist. Whenever a Public Organization dissolves, the Notary shall report that event to the Public Forum As Soon As Possible after e is notified as required by other Rules. Other Rules may define additional causes of dissolution. History: Created by Proposal 1397, Jan. 29 1995 Amended(1) by Proposal 1687, Sep. 1 1995 Amended(2) by Proposal 1760, Oct. 21 1995 -- Steven Swiniarski (aka S Andrew Swann) gb485@cleveland.freenet.edu Whenever you have an efficient government you have a dictatorship. --Harry S Truman