>From nomic-official-owner@teleport.com Fri Oct 27 10:03:55 1995 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15631 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:03:54 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA28677 for nomic-official-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:58:16 -0700 Received: from wing4.wing.rug.nl (wing4.wing.rug.nl [129.125.21.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA28636 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:58:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199510271458.HAA28636@desiree.teleport.com> Received: by wing4.wing.rug.nl (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA27442; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:57:54 +0100 >From: Andre Engels Subject: OFF: CFJ 813: Concurring Opinion To: nomic-official@teleport.com Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 15:57:54 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-nomic-official@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic-discussion@teleport.com Status: RO A Concurring Opinion has reached the CotC on CFJ 813. As the original Judgement wasn't long anyway, I repost the CO together with the rest of the Judgement. ====================================================================== JUDGEMENT CFJ 813 Rule 478 should be interpreted in such a way that a Player who wishes to register must be able to prove that e is able to receive the Pubic Forum, and that failing proof of this, eir registration is illegal. ====================================================================== Judge: Coco Judgement: FALSE Eligible: Andre, Chuck, Coco, Dave Bowen, elJefe, favor, Kelly, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, SugarWater, Steve, Swann, Vanyel, Vlad, wutold, Xanadu, Zefram Not Eligible: Caller: Morendil Barred: On Hold: Effects: Coco gains 5 Points for speedy Judgement. ====================================================================== History: Called by Morendil, 22 Oct 1995, 11:29 +0001 Assigned to Coco, 23 Oct 1995, 12:18 MET Judged FALSE by Coco, 25 Oct 1995, 15:01 -0500 (CDT) Concurring Opinion by favor, sponsored by favor, Chuck and elJefe, delivered 27 Oct, 14:42 MET ====================================================================== Argument: My argument is that, even though subscription to the Agora lists is no mandated by the Rules, it is the only practical way of proving that one is able to read the PF. Any other means of accessing the PF should be proved by the Player concerned. ====================================================================== Decision & Reasoning Judge: Judgement: FALSE Arguement: Deregistration of those players who cannot keep keep up with the game is sufficient to dicourage registration of non-scamming new players. If a player can keep up with the game without subscription to the fora then kudos for them. I believe the aim of this CFJ is to discourage new player scams like Nucleon's brief stint as a player. This CFJ is not strong enough to actually be effective in that regard and penalizes those players who have been lucky enough to play Agora without swimming through the fora. -AC ====================================================================== Concurring Opinion: Sponsoring Players: favor, Chuck, elJefe Reasons and Arguments: While we concur with the judgement of FALSE on the Statement of CFJ 813, we would like to offer an alternative argument. The statement: Rule 478 should be interpreted in such a way that a Player who wishes to register must be able to prove that e is able to receive the Pubic Forum, and that failing proof of this, eir registration is illegal. is clearly false. Rule 478 makes no mention of proof, or of Registration; and no other Rule says anything that, taken together with Rule 478, could impose any requirement of this proof on any Player, or render any registration illegal for lack of it. While the original Judge in this case presents an argument that would be appropriate in campaigning against a Proposal to enact a Rule requiring such proof, the only relevant consideration in deciding this CFJ, per Rule 217, is that the Statement is simply not supported by the Rules. Whether or not the Rules would be improved by changing them to require proof as suggested in the Statement is irrelevant. ====================================================================== Evidence (all added by issuer(s) Concurring Opinion): ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rule 478/4 (Mutable, MI=1) The Public Forum The Public Forum is any medium defined by the Distributor as such. If a Rule requires that a message is send to the Public Forum, then a message send to all Active Players fulfills this requirement as well. The Distributor may only define a medium to be the Public Forum, if to the best of eir knowledge and in normal circumstances messages posted to it are received by all Players. Subscription may be necessary to be able to receive the Public Forum, in which case such a subscription is mandatory to all Players. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rule 217/2 (Mutable, MI=1) Judgements Must Accord with the Rules All Judgements must be in accordance with the Rules; however, if the Rules are silent, inconsistent, or unclear on the Statement to be Judged, then the Judge shall consider Game Custom, the Spirit of the Game and past Judgements before applying other standards. This Rule defers to all other Rules which do not contain this sentence. -------------------------------------------------------------------------