From nomic-official-owner@teleport.com Thu May 11 18:58:57 1995 Return-Path: nomic-official-owner@teleport.com Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.11]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA02662 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 18:58:50 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA02268 for nomic-official-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 1995 16:57:59 -0700 Received: from mizar.astro.indiana.edu (mizar.astro.indiana.edu [129.79.160.43]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02246 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 16:57:54 -0700 Received: from poverty by mizar.astro.indiana.edu with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0s9i6u-0001baC; Thu, 11 May 95 18:57 EST Received: by poverty.bloomington.in.us (V1.17-beta/Amiga) id <2zzr@poverty.bloomington.in.us>; Thu, 11 May 95 18:01:02 EST5 Date: Thu, 11 May 95 18:01:02 EST5 Message-Id: <9505112301.2zzr@poverty.bloomington.in.us> From: kelly@poverty.bloomington.in.us (Kelly Martin) To: nomic-official@teleport.com Subject: OFF: CFJ768: Judgement Sender: owner-nomic-official@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic-discussion@teleport.com Status: RO ====================================================================== JUDGEMENT OF CFJ 768 (The Move of the Vizier of Reform Group transferring Coins...) ====================================================================== Judgement: FALSE Judge: Xanadu Eligible to Judge: Elde, Oerjan, Blob, Xanadu, KoJen, Jason, elJefe, Michael, Chuck, Tang, Steve, Vanyel, Swann, Andre, Dave Bowen Caller: JonRock Scorekeepor: Xanadu receives 3 Points for timely Judgement (just barely!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- History: Called Wed, 3 May 1995 19:59:06 -0400 by JonRock Assigned Thu, 4 May 1995 15:35 UTC to Xanadu Judged FALSE Thu, 11 May 1995 16:15:45 +1000 (EST) by Xanadu --> Xanadu receives 3 Points ====================================================================== Statement: The Move of the Vizier of Reform Group transferring Coins in response to the purchase request made by TAL in his message dated Thu, 13 Apr 95 17:37:33 SET, is illegal. Barred: Kelly, TAL Requested Injunction: If this CFJ is judged TRUE, I request that the Judge issue an Injunction specifying that the transfer be retracted and that the most recent representation to TAL of his Reform Group Coin holding be adjusted to reflect the retraction of this transfer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Arguments: The relevant section of the Reform Group Ordinances in effect at the time of the Move in question is Ordinance 16. This Ordinance contains the sentence "The Vizier shall permit Players to purchase Coins of the Group from the Group, in exchange for Points at the current Rate of Exchange, plus the current Reform Service Fee, if that Player is not a current member of Reform," which clearly specifies that members of Reform, such as TAL, may not purchase Coins of the Group from the Group in exchange for Points. The Vizier of Reform Group is required to not honor this purchase request by Rule 721, which requires eim to obey the Ordinances of the Group of which e is a member. Note that an injunction to correct the report of Coin holdings is allowed, since that report is a "publication of game state" regardless of it not being a report of an Officer or being reported to all Players. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- References: I. Purchase request made by TAL II. Reform Group Ordinances, as represented by TAL to the external holders of Reform Group Coins on 13 Apr 95. III. Rule 721 ========== I. Purchase request made by TAL Message-Id: <199504131538.IAA20286@desiree.teleport.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 17:37:33 SET From: KUNNE@crnvma.cern.ch Subject: BUS: Two transfers To: nomic-business@teleport.com ElJefe writes: >Scorekeepor, please note: > > I hereby transfer 10.1 Points from myself to the "Make-another- > Contestmaster Contest" Fund. I do not thereby become a Contestant. > >Under regulation 3 of that Contest, TAL (who is still Contestmaster) is >required to transfer the 10.1 points to himself as soon as possible. > >Note that neither the rules not the regulations do not state that TAL >must be a Contestant in order to receive the points. After the transfer >has been made the MAC contest dissolves and leaves us in peace. Why, thank you. This seems to be a classic case of the threat being worse than the execution. Dear Scorekeepor, now that ElJefe dissolved the NMC: please register the transfer of 10.1 points from the MAC Contestfund to TAL. Signed: the MAC Contestmaster. Dear Scorekeepor, please transfer all TAL's points to the Reform Treasury in exchange for the corresponding number of Reform Coins. Signed: TAL ========== II. Reform Group Ordinances, as represented by TAL to the external holders of Reform Group Coins on 13 Apr 95. Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 17:42:42 SET From: KUNNE@crnvma.cern.ch Subject: Reform Ordinances To: malcolmr@cse.unsw.edu.au, ccarroll@students.wisc.edu, ferro@CHEM.CMU.EDU, gb485@cleveland.Freenet.Edu, BlsPascal@aol.com Reform Group Ordinances (March 13, 1995) Last Ordinance changed: 16 0. The Purpose of this Group is to facilitate progressive change and dynamic growth within the Game of Agora Nomic, while also striving to insure the continuity and playability of the same. 1. In all matters which require the Consent of the Membership, the Vizier shall announce the Matter in the Group's Public Forum, and all Members shall indicate their opinion to the Vizier as soon as reasonably possible. Consent of the Membership is defined as at least two-thirds of the Members in favor of the matter at hand. The matter shall not be resolved until either seven days have passed from the Vizier's announcement, or matters are such that no possible response from those Members who have not yet responded could result in a change in the consensus opinion. If, after seven days, less than two-thirds of the Membership has responded at all, the consensus shall be that the Membership is silently opposed. 2. The Ordinances shall have the power to bind the Active Members of the Group to cast their individual Votes on Proposals in a manner determined by the Ordinances. In the event that the Ordinances do bind the Membership to Vote upon a Proposal in a specified way, no Member may cast a Vote on that Proposal which is not in concord with this binding; however, a Member may always choose to not Vote upon a given Proposal. 3. On each Proposal distributed by the Speaker, the Vizier shall seek to determine the consensus opinion of the Group of how the Membership of the Group shall vote. Each Member may express exactly one of the options specified below, or may indicate that e has no opinion; if any of these options is favored by at least two-thirds of those Members expressing an opinion, the Membership shall be bound by the terms of that option, provided that at least two-thirds of the Membership has responded at all prior to the end of the Voting Period for that Proposal. If no consensus of opinion is reached by the time that 24 hours remain of the Voting Period of a Proposal, then the Membership shall be free to Vote as they are individually inclined on that Proposal. The options are: * to vote FOR the Proposal; * to Vote AGAINST the Proposal; * to ABSTAIN on the Proposal; * to allow the Members to vote however they please on that Proposal (UNBOUND); * to direct the Vizier to solicit bids from the Electorate at large for the privilege of designating the manner in which the Group Members shall be bound to Vote (SOLD). When the consensus opinion of the Group on a specific Proposal is to offer the Group's Votes up for sale, the Vizier shall post an announcement to all Active Players advising them that the Membership of the Group offers its votes on that Proposal to the Player who bids the largest number of the Coin of the Group for that privilege. Members of the Reform Group may not enter bids in the sale of the Group's votes, nor may any Player who has been a Member of the Reform Group during the 7 days previous to the time the auction is announced. The Vizier shall then accept bids until 48 hours prior to the end of the Voting Period on that Proposal. The Vizier shall, at that time, notify the highest bidder, if there is one, that e has won the auction. If that Player, before the end of the Voting Period on that Proposal, both transfers eir bid, in the Coin of the Group, to the Group Treasury, and also specifies to the Membership how e wishes it to Vote, the Membership shall be bound to Vote in the manner specified by that Player. Otherwise the Membership shall be free to Vote however they please. Any time Coins of the Group are transferred to the Group treasury as a result of this Ordinance, one half of those Coins, rounded up, shall be distributed as evenly as possible among the active members of the Group; the remainder, along with any fraction unable to be evenly distributed, shall be destroyed. 4. The Vizier may expend Points or Currencies held in the Group's Treasury for any purpose, but only as specified in the Ordinances or with the Consent of the Membership. 5. New Members may be admitted to the Group with the consent of the Membership. The Name of a New Member shall be added to the bottom of the List of Members. 6. An existing Member may be expelled from the Group with the consent of the Membership. For the purpose of determining the Consent of the Membership in a matter of expulsion, the Member being considered for expulsion shall have no voice. 7. Whenever a Member leaves the Group for any reason, eir name shall be removed from the List of Members. 8. A Member may, at any time, request that eir name be moved to the bottom of the List of Members. 9. The Vizier may, at any time, nominate another Member as eir nominated successor, who shall become Vizier in the event of a vacancy, and may retract any such nomination at any time. All such nominations and retractions shall be made to the Group's Public Forum. 10. The Vizier may resign as Vizier at any time, with or without leaving the Group. Should the Vizier resign without nominating a successor, e shall be expelled from the Group. 11. In the event that the Group might otherwise have no Vizier, the Vizier's nominated successor shall become Vizier. If there is no nominated successor, or the nominated successor is ineligible, the first Member on the List of Members shall become Vizier. If there is no such Member, the Group shall be dissolved. 12. The Vizier shall, in addition to eir other duties, maintain a record of the nominated successors to all Group Offices, and maintain the List of Members in the order required by these Ordinances, and make this information available to any Member upon request. 13. The Vizier shall, at all times, be the Ordinancekeepor. 14. These Ordinances may be changed only with the consent of the Membership. No change in the Ordinances can have a retroactive effect, nor cause any action already performed by a member of the Group to become void or illegal under the Ordinances or the Rules. 15. The Vizier may create or destroy Coins of the Group at any time for any purpose, but only as specified in the Ordinances or with the Consent of the Membership. 16. The Vizier shall permit Players to purchase Coins of the Group from the Group, in exchange for Points at the current Rate of Exchange, plus the current Reform Service Fee, if that Player is not a current member of Reform. A Player who wishes to purchase Coins may do so by transferring a sufficient number of Points to the Group Treasury. When the Scorekeepor has confirmed the Point Transfer, the Vizier shall transfer the appropriate number of Coins to that Player, creating Coins if necessary. The current Reform Service Fee is equal to 5% of the transaction, not to be less than 1 Coin, or to exceed 50 Coins. 17. The Vizier shall permit Players to sell Coins of the Group back to the Group, in exchange for Points at the current Rate of Exchange. A Player who wishes to sell Coins back to the Group may do so by transferring the Coins e wishes to sell to the Group Treasury. The Vizier shall then transfer the appropriate number of Points from the Group Treasury to that Player. The transferred Coins shall then be destroyed. 18. The Rate of Exchange for Coins of the Group shall be the ratio between the number of Coins of the Group in existence (less those held in the Group's Treasury) and the number of Points held in the Group's Treasury. This ratio determines the number of Coins received in exchange for one Point, or the number of Coins needed to receive one Point. 19. A Member who leaves the Group for any reason shall not receive any share of the Points or Currencies in the Group's Treasury. 20. In the event of the dissolution of the Group, the Treasury shall be divided amongst the holders of the Coins of the Group, in proportion to the number of Coins held by each Player or other Entity. Coins held by the Treasury are not to be considered in this distribution. ========== III. Rule 721 Rule 721/0 (Mutable, MI=1) The Ordinances, and Defaults All Members of a Group must obey the Ordinances of that Group at all times, so long as the Ordinances do not conflict with the Rules. The Ordinances of a Group may specify: 1. how the Ordinances of that Group may be changed, or that they may not be changed. If the Ordinances do not so specify, then the Ordinances shall be changed only upon unanimous agreement of all Members of that Group. 2. the Vizier of the Group, so long as the Vizier is a Member of that Group. If the Ordinances of a Group do not so specify, the Vizier shall be the Player whose Application for that Group was received first by the Registrar, if e is still a Member of that Group. 3. the Ordinancekeepor of the Group, so long as the Ordinancekeepor is a Member of that Group. If the Ordinances do not so specify, then the Vizier of that Group shall also be its Ordinancekeepor. 4. How the Points or Currencies in the Group's Treasury shall be spent, so long as it does not conflict with the Rules. A Group may spend Points or Currencies in the same manner as a Player. When Points or Currencies are to be spent from the Group's Treasury, the Vizier of that Group shall inform the Scorekeepor or Recordkeepor for the Currency, as is appropriate. -- -- Jon Ferro Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar. ====================================================================== Judgement: FALSE The only problem I had in judging this was whether to judge it false, or unknown. Arguments for judging it unknown are - That I have no gurantee to the validity of the Reform Group Ords submitted with this call for judgement, and that Reform does not (and is not required to) keep any form of records of coin transactions. I have, however, decided to accept the reform group ords as being true - I think the players of Agora can be trusted to the extent that at least _one_ member of reform would have informed me otherwise. I have therefore decided to judge this CFJ FALSE because - the exact wording of the ordinance which JonRock objected to is "The Vizier shall permit Players to purchase Coins of the Group from the Group, in exchange for Points at the current Rate of Exchange, plus the current Reform Service Fee, if that Player is not a current member of Reform." I don't believe the meaning of this is as clear as JonRock claims it is and feel it has two, equally acceptable meanings. One meaning would be that Members of Reform may not purchase coins, the other is that members of Reform are not required to pay the Reform Service Fee. Therefore, by allowing the transfer but not charging TAL a Service Fee (which Kelly tells me is what happened), Kelly and TAL were following the Reform ordinances, abeit, a slightly different interpretation of them from JonRocks. Reform ordinances were followed - therefore, the move was not illegal and this CFJ is False. Xanadu ======================================================================