From - Wed Oct 11 15:28:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au ([131.170.42.16]) by walker.mail.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id su6j6t.243f.37kbi73 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15437 for agora-official-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:04:48 GMT Received: from fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (fw-in.serc.rmit.edu.au [131.170.42.1]) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15434 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:04:45 GMT Received: (from mail@localhost) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id EAA06886 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:04:55 +1100 (EST) Received: from fido.kiva.net(206.97.64.41) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au via smap (V2.1) id xma006884; Wed, 11 Oct 00 04:04:33 +1100 Received: (qmail 18772 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 17:00:30 -0000 Received: from dial-149.bton.kiva.net (HELO klm02) (208.143.10.149) by fido.kiva.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 17:00:30 -0000 From: "Kelly Martin" To: "Agora Official" Subject: OFF: CFJ 1250: Judged TRUE Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:59:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: agora-discussion@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: su6j6t.243f.37kbi73 In this message: Judged TRUE by Crito. The Bank incurs a debt of 35 Stems to Crito. ============================== CFJ 1250 ============================== Rule 1664 should be interpreted that the effects which are applied specifically to Abiding Players or specifically to Rebellious Players upon the success or failure of a Call for Revolt, are applied based on a Player's status as Abiding or Rebellious at the time the Registrar determines whether the Call for Revolt was successful or not, and not at the time the Call for Revolt is made. ======================================================================== Called by: Chuck Judge: Crito Judgement: Judge selection: Eligible: Andre, Blob, Crito, Kelly, Murphy, Oerjan, pTang, Steve Not eligible: Caller: Chuck Barred: t Had eir turn: t, Peekee Already served: Defaulted: By request: Elysion, harvel, Michael, Palnatoke, Taral, Wes On Hold: Zombie: Anthony, Harlequin, Novalis, Schneidster ======================================================================== History: Called by Chuck: 2 Oct 2000 11:10:21 -0500 Assigned to Crito: 6 Oct 2000 10:00:46 -0500 Judged TRUE by Crito: 10 Oct 2000 10:24:16 -0400 Judgement entered: this message ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments, Evidence, and Other Information: Rule 1664/13 (Power=2) Rebellion Any Player is either Abiding or Rebellious. A new Player is always Abiding when e becomes a player. A Player can switch from Abiding to Rebellious or from Rebellious to Abiding if e has not does so during the current month by sending a message to the Public Forum saying e does change so. The Registrar shall include in the Registrar's Report a list of all Players that are Rebellious. A Player may Call for a Revolt at any time, by sending to the Public Forum saying e does so. A Call for Revolt is only effective if the following conditions are met: i) The player posting the Call is Rebellious, ii) No other effective Call for Revolt has been made that week, iii) A successful Revolt has not occured for a month or more. As soon as possible after an effective Call for Revolt has been posted, the Registrar must determine whether the Revolt succeeds, as outlined below, and post the result to the Public Forum. The Registar shall select a random integer from 1 to the number of Players (plus 1 if Miscreant is held) at the time of the Call for Revolt. If this number is less than or equal to the number of Rebellious Players (plus 1 if Miscreant is held by a Rebellious Player), then the Revolt succeeds; otherwise it fails. If a Revolt succeeds, then the following events occur (in order): - The Registrar shall expunge all Blots of each Rebellious Player. - The Registrar shall pay out 40 Stems to each Rebellious Player. - All positions in the Oligarchy become vacant. - All Abiding Players that hold one or more Offices in the normal fashion cease to hold those in a normal fashion and hold them temporarily instead. - All Rebellious Players become Abiding again - The Herald is empowered and required to levy a tax of 75% on indulgences. The holder of the Patent Title "Robespierre" is exempt from this tax, even if other rules don't allow tax exemptions. - A Speaker Transition occurs If a Revolt does not succeed, then: - All Rebellious Players gain 2 Blots. - The Player who Called for Revolt gains 2 (additional) Blots The Registrar shall notify the Herald of all Blots that have been gained or expunged as a result of this Rule. History: Created by Proposal 2717, Oct 23 1996 Amended(1) by Proposal 2797 (Andre), Jan. 30 1997, substantial Amended(2) by Proposal 3475 (Murphy), May 11 1997, substantial Amended(3) by Proposal 3685 (Steve), Feb. 12 1998, substantial Amended(4) by Proposal 3703 (Steve), Mar. 9 1998 Amended(5) by Proposal 3713 (Blob), Mar. 19 1998 Amended(6) by Proposal 3740 (Repeal-O-Matic), May 8 1998 Amended(7) by Proposal 3794 (Kolja A.), Oct. 19 1998 Amended(8) by Proposal 3897 (harvel), Aug. 27 1999 Amended(9) by Proposal 3901 (Schneidster), Sep. 6 1999 Amended(10) by Proposal 3916 (harvel), Sep. 27 1999 Amended(11) by Proposal 3936 (Elysion), Oct. 31 1999 Amended(12) by Proposal 3951 (Elysion), Dec. 8 1999 Power changed from 1 to 2 by Proposal 3980 (Steve), Mar. 1 2000 Amended(13) by Proposal 3980 (Steve), Mar. 1 2000 ======================================================================== Judged TRUE by Crito: I judge this statement to be TRUE. Whenever the Rules call for some action to be taken depending on some aspect of the gamestate, unless otherwise specified, we have no other choice than to assume that this must refer to the gamestate at the time the action is taken. Although the Rule in question refers to the number of Players at the time of the call for Revolt, it does not make any similar reference of timing with respect to Players' Rebellious status. I find no justification within the wording of the Rule to extend this assumption of timing beyond selection of the random number. Since there are no other specifications as to timing, it must be assumed that actions which depend upon a Player's Rebellious status refer to the status of the Player at the time the action is to be taken. Therefore, I find this statement to be TRUE. --Crito ========================================================================