From - Mon Jul 31 15:41:53 2000 Status: R Return-Path: Received: from gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au ([131.170.42.16]) by farley.mail.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id sob78l.7k2.37kbi1c for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04886 for agora-official-list; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:36:46 GMT Received: from fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (fw-in.serc.rmit.edu.au [131.170.42.1]) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04883 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:36:43 GMT From: magika@aracnet.com Received: (from mail@localhost) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA21740 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:36:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail2.aracnet.com(216.99.193.35) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au via smap (V2.1) id xma021738; Tue, 1 Aug 00 01:36:34 +1000 Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24122 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:34:37 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id IAA00641; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:34:34 -0700 Message-Id: <200007311534.IAA00641@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: OFF: CFJ 1236 Judged FALSE by Murphy To: agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (agora-off) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:34:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: agora-discussion@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: sob78l.7k2.37kbi1c ============================== CFJ 1236 ============================== Zombies are not rewarded Indulgences for being Immaculate all Quarter. ======================================================================== Called by: Peekee Judge: Murphy Judgement: FALSE Judge selection: Eligible: Murphy, Oerjan, Palnatoke, Steve, t, Taral, Wes Not eligible: Caller: Peekee Barred: - Had eir turn: Chuck, Elysion, Kelly, lee Already served: - Defaulted: - Previously Defaulted: Harlequin, Sherlock By request: Blob, Crito, harvel, Michael On Hold: - Zombie: Anthony, Harlequin, Novalis, Schneidster ======================================================================== History: Called by Peekee: 21 Jul 2000 14:17:09 BST Assigned to Murphy: 24 Jul 2000 12:43:26 -0700 Judged FALSE by Murphy: 30 Jul 2000 21:46:30 -0700 Judgement Distributed: As of this message ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: I take the line " 'ndulgences to each of y'all " to mean "Indulgences to each of you all". Now clearly the "you all" in the line cannot refer to Zombies, for various reasons, mainly their being dead, and not being able to listen (read) and so any statement of "you all" which is meant to include them. So Zombies are not rewarded for being Immaculate. ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: ule 1924/0 (Power=1) Immaculate Rewards and Zombie Upkeep Now the truth is that we see, How much better we'd all be, If immaculatity, Were rewarded, I and thee, Were we to acknowledge those, With the pur'ty of a rose, At the end of quarter each, Since the virtues we do teach, Herald with eir records true, Shall pay out but one, not two, 'ndulgences to each of y'all, 'mmaculate past quarter all, By what name this gift shall be, Called for all eternity, Like some old tradition knew, As my latest gift to you, Nonetheless there still are those, Everybody surely knows, We can find them anywhere, (But it's very rude to stare), Those with Zombies at their side, Mindless hordes they try to hide, Surely there should be some price, (It's unnatur'l to live twice), Since we want to boost morale, Once again the herald shall, Only for those three months past, Have been held b'eir master last, Bill the players who did own, Zombies (which will often moan), Only one and never two, Fair Indulgences (mon dieu!), Every zombie undead for, Perhaps one, but maybe more. ======================================================================== Judge's Arguments: s previously noted in a-d, Zombies *are* still Players, and are thus able to listen (read). Since the Caller didn't name any of eir other "various reasons", I am not going to attempt to guess what they are, because I would almost certainly be wrong. Furthermore, the intent of including Zombie Upkeep in Rule 1924 is to prevent Indulgence inflation, since Zombies typically *will* be rewarded Indulgences for being Immaculate all Quarter. I consider this to be in the best interests of the game (for anyone wishing to declare Rule 1924 unclear and invoke Rule 217). ======================================================================== Judge's Evidence: ========================================================================