From - Tue Jul 25 16:52:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au ([131.170.42.16]) by fb04.eng00.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id snrs98.11q8.37kbi5a for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA26677 for agora-official-list; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:38:57 GMT Received: from fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (fw-in.serc.rmit.edu.au [131.170.42.1]) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26674 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:38:54 GMT From: magika@aracnet.com Received: (from mail@localhost) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id FAA82664 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:52:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com(216.99.193.38) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au via smap (V2.1) id xma082662; Wed, 26 Jul 00 05:51:52 +1000 Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07101 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:49:59 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id MAA23360; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:49:56 -0700 Message-Id: <200007251949.MAA23360@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: OFF: CFJ 1235 Judged TRUE by lee To: agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (agora-off) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:49:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: agora-discussion@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: snrs98.11q8.37kbi5a ============================== CFJ 1235 ============================== Peekee has not been awarded the Patent Title of Quack. ======================================================================== Called by: Oerjan Judge: lee Judgement: TRUE Judge selection: Eligible: lee, Murphy, Palnatoke, Peekee, Steve, t, Taral, Wes Not eligible: Caller: Oerjan Barred: - Had eir turn: Chuck, Elysion, Kelly, lee Already served: - Defaulted: - Previously Defaulted: Harlequin, Sherlock By request: Blob, Crito, harvel, Michael On Hold: - Zombie: Anthony, Harlequin, Novalis, Schneidster ======================================================================== History: Called by Oerjan: 20 Jul 2000 19:38:11 +0200 Assigned to lee: 20 Jul 2000 19:03:16 -0700 Judged TRUE by lee: 25 Jul 2000 00:38:11 -0500 Judgement Distributed: As of this message ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Alan Riddell wrote: > I hereby show great enthusiasm, and persistence, and skill in the > production, distribution, and marketing of panaceas and other patent > medicines. I believe that production, distribution and marketing of panaceas and other patent medicines are not acts that are of such a nature that they can be accomplished simply by declaring that you are performing them. Production and distribution of most panaceas and probably all patent medicines are also not acts that can be accomplished simply by a message to an Internet forum. I note that you have not even mentioned what panaceas or patent titles you are attempting to produce, distribute or market. I therefore find it rather improbable that you have accomplished any of these. Certainly, you have not shown great skill in the matter. Your persistence is obvious, but compared to my concept of Quack, not particularly great. Your enthusiasm _may_ be a more controversial matter, but your laziness in pulling this through in a worthy manner would seem to count against that, as well. ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: ======================================================================== Judge's Arguments: Patent titles are regulated by the Rules, under Rule 649/13 (Power=1), Rule 1922/0 (Power=1), and others. So if the Patent Title of Quack was awarded to Peekee, it would have to be as regulated by the rules. It may be awarded to any Player who has shown great enthusiasm, persistence, or skill in the production, distribution, and marketing of panaceas and other patent medicines. Right off the bat we can eliminate persistence. E only sent the one message concerning them before attempting to award emself the title. I also do not see how e has shown great skill or great enthusiasm. Although e said he was showing great enthusiasm, that is not all that is needed to show enthusiasm. As anyone who has watched Droopy the Dog can attest, saying "I am so happy," need not actually demonstrate happiness at all. Skill, i cannot judge directly, but Peekee wrote repeatedly that e attempted various aspects of being the quack. When I show my great skill at the things i have _great_ skill at, I don't attempt them, i certainly don't write about attempting them, I just do them. It certainly shows a lack of skill in marketing to not even give products a brand name or use a catch phase. E did not even mention what kind of medicines e made. I think e has failed to show the needed skill, persistence, and enthusiasm to be awarded the Patent Title of Quack and therefore e was not permitted to award emself it. ======================================================================== Judge's Evidence: Received: from gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (131.170.42.16) by mail.schawk.com (FirstClass Mail Server v5.50) with ESMTP (Sender: owner-agora-business@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au) transient id 343; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:02:28 -0700 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27636 for agora-business-list; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:52:10 GMT Received: from fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (fw-in.serc.rmit.edu.au [131.170.42.1]) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27633 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:52:08 G MT Received: (from mail@localhost) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id DAA67184 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 03:05:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from law-f75.hotmail.com(209.185.131.138) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au via smap (V2.1) id xma067175; Fri, 21 Jul 00 03:04:45 +1000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:02:56 -0700 Received: from 212.211.4.44 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.211.4.44] From: "Alan Riddell" To: agora-business@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au Subject: BUS: Quack Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:02:55 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2000 17:02:56.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[5970FCF0:01BFF26C] Sender: owner-agora-business@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: agora-discussion@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au I hereby show great enthusiasm, and persistence, and skill in the production, distribution, and marketing of panaceas and other patent medicines. I therefore award myself a (regular) Patent title of Quack. In case that fails it should be noted that if I were indeed a Quack (E.g. having a (regular) Patent title of Quack) it would make my life a lot easier in the production, distribution, and marketing of panaceas and other patent medicines. Thus, even if the first attempt in this message to award myself a (regular) Patent title of Quack fails, I believe that it at least shows that I indeed have shown great enthusiasm in the production, distribution, and marketing of panaceas and other patent medicines. I therefore award myself a (regular) Patent title of Quack. In case both of the above fail, I hereby attempt to produce some panaceas. I hereby attempt to produce some other patent medicines. I hereby attempt to distribute some panaceas. I hereby attempt to distribute some other patent medicines. I hereby attempt to market some panaceas. I hereby attempt to market some other patent medicines. I believe the above shows that I have shown both great enthusiasm, and persistence in the production, distribution, and marketing of panaceas and other patent medicines. I therefore award myself a (regular) Patent title of Quack. Would the Scorekeepor please note: As of this message I believe that I have been awarded a (regular) Patient title of Quack, therefore as in Rule 1930 "Scoring" I gain 5 Points. Peekee (Not subscribed to a-d, please send replies to this address directly.) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Rule 649/13 (Power=1) Patent Titles A Patent Title is a legal item of recognition of a person's distinction. Only persons may possess Patent Titles. As soon as possible after a Patent Title award or revocation which occurs automatically occurs, the Herald shall announce in a Public Forum that such an award or revocation has occurred, and which Title has been awarded to or revoked from which person or persons. Unless otherwise specified, each Patent Title has Historical Significance. The Herald may, Without Objection, cause that Title to lose its Historical Significance. That Title immediately gains Hysterical Significance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rule 1044/6 (Power=1) Unique Patent Titles Each Unique Patent Title is a Patent Title. If a person is awarded a Unique Patent Title, then it shall automatically be revoked from any person already holding that Title. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rule 1923/1 (Power=1) Defined Unique Patent Titles The following are Unique Patent Titles: (a) Distributor, which shall be possessed by that person most responsible for the maintenance of one or more Public Fora. The Registrar may, at eir whim, award this title. (b) Robespierre, which shall automatically be awarded to the Player who called for a Revolt, it the Revolt succeeds. (c) Miscreant, which shall automatically be awarded to a Player who has at least ten Blots and has a greater number of Blots than any other Player, if there is such a Player. It shall automatically be revoked if either condition becomes false. (d) Maniac, which shall automatically be awarded to a Player submitting an Insane Proposal on which no one votes FOR. (e) Honorless Worm, which shall automatically be awarded to a Player who has fewer Kudos than any other Player, if there is such a Player. It shall automatically be revoked if this condition becomes false. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rule 1922/0 (Power=1) Defined Regular Patent Titles The following are Patent Titles: (a) Scamster, which may be awarded to any Player who has shown great enthusiasm, persistence, or skill in the perpetrating of scams. This title may not be declined, retracted, or revoked. (b) Quack, which may be awarded to any Player who has shown great enthusiasm, persistence, or skill in the production, distribution, and marketing of panaceas and other patent medicines. Rule 101/1 (Power=3) Obey the Rules All Players must always abide by all the Rules currently in effect, in the form in which they are currently in effect. However, a Player besides the Speaker may always deregister rather than continue to play. Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by the Rules is permitted and unregulated, with the sole exception of changing the Rules, which is permitted only when the Rules explicitly or implicitly permit it. Any change to the game state which would make it impossible to make arbitrary modifications to the Rules by any combination of actions by Players does not occur, any Rule to the contrary notwithstanding. The Rules in the Initial Set are in effect at the beginning of the first game. The Initial Set consists of Rules 101-116 (Immutable) and 201-219 (Mutable). ========================================================================