From - Tue Apr 25 20:40:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au ([131.170.42.16]) by mx9.mindspring.com (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id sgc8s3.6go.37kbi17 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09437 for agora-official-list; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:30:46 GMT Received: from fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (fw-in.serc.rmit.edu.au [131.170.42.1]) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09434 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:30:44 GMT Received: (from mail@localhost) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA88866 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:49:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from msuacad.morehead-st.edu(147.133.1.1) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au via smap (V2.1) id xma088864; Wed, 26 Apr 00 08:49:35 +1000 Received: (from mpslon01@localhost) by msuacad.morehead-st.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA17081 for agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:17:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Slone Message-Id: <200004252217.SAA17081@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> Subject: OFF: CFJ 1209 Judged FALSE To: agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (agora-official) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:17:23 EDT X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.4] Sender: owner-agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: agora-discussion@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: sgc8s3.6go.37kbi17 ============================== CFJ 1209 ============================== The change to the minimum wage on March 30, 2000 was invalid and the subsequent minimum wage PO's issued April 1, 2000 were incorrect. ======================================================================== Called by: lee Judge: Chuck Judgement: FALSE Judge selection: Eligible: Chuck, Murphy Not eligible: Caller: lee Barred: - Had eir turn: Blob, Crito, Elysion, Palnatoke, Sherlock, Steve, Taral, Wes, else...if, harvel, lee, t Already served: - Defaulted: Harlequin By request: Michael, Palnatoke, harvel On Hold: Novalis, Peekee Zombie: Anthony, Harlequin, Schneidster ======================================================================== History: Called by lee 17 Apr 2000 16:40:58 -0500 Assigned to Chuck: 17 Apr 2000 20:43:24 -0400 Judged FALSE by Chuck: 24 Apr 2000 18:33:34 -0500 Judgement published: As of this message ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: ======================================================================== Judge Chuck's Arguments: Rule 1893 states, "(2) - (4) given above [which inlude the Minimum Income] shall be given in integer multiples of 0.1, of the Basic Officer Salary..." "given in" here is quite problematic. This CFJ would have been fairly straightforward to judge if the author of this Rule had simply stated, "...shall be integer multiples of 0.1..." which is what, I suspect, e intended. If this is what were written, Lee's attempt to change the Minimum Income to 0.25 BOS clearly would have failed. But that is not what the Rule says. It says that the Minimum Income shall be given in integer multiples of 0.1, and it is left up to me to determine what is meant by "given in". (Given by whom? When? In what context?) While my initial instinct in judging this CFJ was to find that it was in the best interest of the game to interpret "shall be given in" to mean "shall be", I soon realized that I could not twist the English language to this extent--"shall be given in" does not mean "shall be", and I could think of no example where it would. One might as well decide that "sends" actually means "eats". I can only read this sentence so as to restrict the action of someone setting ("giving") the value of the Minimum Income, and not a restriction on the value of the Minimum Income itself. That is, although R1893 requires the Treasuror to use an integer multiple of 0.1 in setting the Minimum Income, it does not prevent the Minimum Income from taking on another value, should it be set to something else by someone acting in violation of the Rules. Rule 1906 permits the change Lee made. Thus, I conclude that although lee violated R1893 in setting the Minimum Income to 0.25 BOS, this did not prevent the Minimum Income from taking this value. "Shall be given in" is not a synonym for "shall be." Whether the change was "invalid" or not depends on the meaning of "invalid" (illegal? or ineffective?), a bit of a sloppy construction in the statement of this CFJ. Fortunately, I do not have to deal with that issue, since the POs referred to were clearly correct, and the second part of the statement is false, making the whole false. I therefore Judge this statement to be FALSE. ======================================================================== Judge Chuck's Evidence: 1. Rule 1893 2. Rule 1906 3. Message changing the Minimum Income (Some headers deleted) 4. Treasuror's report of budget subsequent to the change (Some headers deleted) 5. Message issuing Minimum Income POs subsequent to the change (Some headers deleted) Rule 1893/5 (Power=1) The Treasuror's Budget The Treasuror's Budget shall include the following: (1) The Basic Officer Salary, an amount between 0 and 200 Stems. (2) The Salary of every officer that receives a monthly wage. (3) The Minimum Income. (4) The Speaker's Gratuity. (5) The Trade Fellowship amount for every Officers' Degree. (6) Any other material that is required by the rules to be in the Treasuror's budget. (2) - (4) above shall be given in integer multiples of 0.1, of the Basic Officer Salary, between 0 and 4 times the BOS inclusive. (E.g. 3.2*The BOS). Also, the average (mean) of all of the above shall be less than or equal to twice the BOS. If there is no valid version of the Treasuror's budget, there shall be a budget created as soon as possible by the Treasuror. This budget shall contain all the information that is required to be in the Treasuror's budget and shall be set, as best as is possible to the values of the previous quarter. The resultant budget shall be considered to be the Treasuror's Budget. The Treasuror shall post this budget to the public forum. History: Created by Proposal 3871 (Peekee), Jun. 2 1999 Amended(1) by Proposal 3897 (harvel), Aug. 27 1999 Amended(2) by Proposal 3924 (Wes), Oct. 10 1999 Amended(3) by Proposal 3944 (harvel), Nov. 20 1999 Amended(4) by Proposal 3955 (Blob), Dec. 13 1999 Amended(5) by Proposal 3982 (Sherlock), Mar. 1 2000 Rule 1906/0 (Power=1) Amending the Budget The Treasuror make make changes to the Budget, With Support, provided that e does not hold the Office temporarily. History: Created by Proposal 3888 (Blob), Jul. 30 1999 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:54:06 -0600 Subject: OFF: Treasuror Business To: agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au From: lee@schawk.com (_lee _kinkade) Having the proper support, I hereby change the Minimum Income to .25 --- lee If you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question. Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:24:19 -0600 Subject: OFF: Current Budget To: agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au From: lee@schawk.com (_lee _kinkade) Officer Salaries: Accountor 0.8 Assessor 0.7 Clerk of the Courts 0.5 Herald 0.4 Justiciar 0.1 Notary 0.4 Payroll Clerk 0.8 Priest 0.5 Promotor 0.7 Registrar 0.7 Rulekeepor 0.8 Scorekeepor 0.5 Speaker-Elect 0 Treasuror 0.1 Average Officer's Salary 0.5 BOS 75 Minimum Income 0.25 Speaker's Gratuity 0.5 Trade Fellowships for: - Associate of Nomic (A.N.) 0.00001 - Bachelor of Nomic (B.N.) 0.00002 - Doctor of Nomic History (D.N. Hist) 0.00003 - Master of Nomic (M.N.) 0.00004 - Doctor of Nomic Philosophy (D.N.Phil) 0.00005 --- lee If you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question. Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:06:57 -0600 Subject: OFF: Monthly Salaries To: agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au From: lee@schawk.com (_lee _kinkade) I hereby order the Bank to pay Accountor, Wes, 60 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Assessor, t, 53 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Clerk of the Courts, harvel, 38 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Herald, Elysion, 30 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Justiciar, Blob, 8 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Notary, Peekee, 30 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Payroll Clerk, lee, 60 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Priest, Elysion, 38 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Promotor, Wes, 53 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Registrar, Michael, 53 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Rulekeepor, Chuck, 60 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Scorekeepor, t, 38 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Speaker-Elect, lee, 0 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Treasuror, lee, 8 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Speaker, Murphy, 38 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Anthony 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Blob 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Chuck 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Crito 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay elJefe 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Elysion 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Harlequin 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay harvel 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay lee 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Michael 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Murphy 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Novalis 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Palnatoke 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Peekee 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Schneidster 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Sherlock 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Steve 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay t 19 Stems. I hereby order the Bank to pay Wes 19 Stems. The Bank pays the above Payment Orders. --- lee If you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question. ======================================================================== Clerk of the Courts harvel -- Michael Slone What a fabulous "reward"! Why not add the "reward" of not being thrown into gaol, while we're at it? -- Blob, in agora-discussion