From - Tue Feb 15 20:47:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au ([131.170.42.16]) by ngquotad00.atl.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id sajs7b.b4g.37kb01n for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20441 for agora-official-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:12:12 GMT Received: from fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (fw-in.serc.rmit.edu.au [131.170.42.1]) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20438 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:12:10 GMT Received: (from mail@localhost) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA48106 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:28:43 +1100 (EST) Received: from msuacad.morehead-st.edu(147.133.1.1) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au via smap (V2.1) id xma048104; Wed, 16 Feb 00 11:28:36 +1100 Received: (from mpslon01@localhost) by msuacad.morehead-st.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA22329 for agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:15:25 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Slone Message-Id: <200002160015.TAA22329@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> Subject: OFF: CFJ 1196 Judged TRUE To: agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (agora-official) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:15:24 EST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.4] Sender: owner-agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: agora-discussion@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: sajs7b.b4g.37kb01n ====================================================================== CFJ 1196 On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:39:06 +0800, [Anthony] made a legitimate proposal for a rule change. ====================================================================== Called by: Anthony Judge: Sherlock Judgement: TRUE Judge selection: Eligible: Peekee, Sherlock, Steve Not eligible: Caller: Anthony Barred: - Had their turn: Blob, Chuck, Crito, elJefe, Elysion, Harlequin, harvel, Lee, Murphy, t, Wes Already served: - Defaulted: - By request: Michael On Hold: Oerjan, Palnatoke ====================================================================== History: Called by Anthony: 14 Feb 2000 03:17:39 +0800 Assigned to Sherlock: 13 Feb 2000 15:17:15 -0500 Judged TRUE: 15 Feb 2000 14:28:28 -0800 Judgement published: As of this message ===================================================================== Caller's Arguments: While game custom seems to indicate that rule changes should be encapsulated within the Proposal system, there is nothing to forbid other methods in the rules. The message clearly indicated that it was a proposal, as per Rule 1483. ====================================================================== Evidence attached by the Caller: ====================================================================== Judge's Arguments: My judgment on CFJ1196 is TRUE. It seems to me that there are two issues at work here. The first, and more important, is whether Anthony's message to the Agora Business list constituted a "legitimate proposal" or not. His message was titled “BUS: Rule Proposal” and his first words were “I hereby propose the following rule:”. For a proposal to be created, Rule 1483 requires that “an entity with a Legislative Status of Legislator delivers some collection of text to the Public Forum with the clear indication that the text is intended to become a Proposal”. By Rule 1925, Anthony has Legislator status. His message was sent to the Public Forum. His message title of “Rule Proposal” and the content of the message, in my opinion, are “clear indication” that he wished for the text to be a Proposal. In my opinion, Anthony’s message was a proposal (though the effects of adopting this proposal are questionable). The second issue is whether his proposal would constitute a “rule change”. Under the normal meaning of “change”, it would not. But Rule 105 gives one definition of “rule change” as the “enactment of a new Rule”. Anthony has, in my opinion, satisfied the requirements of proposing a new rule. I therefore render a judgment of TRUE. ====================================================================== -- Michael Slone - http://vir.fclib.org/~harvel/ I hate quotations. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson