From: To: agora-off Subject: OFF: Motion 1178.1 Granted Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 8:13 PM ====================================================================== CFJ 1178 Rule 1729 permits voting on Insane Proposals by private message to the Assessor, even when the prevailing mode of voting on Proposals is Public. ====================================================================== Motion 1178.1 by Blob: If this is judged TRUE, I request that the Judge order R1729 to be annotated with this text. Motion granted by Judge Michael. ====================================================================== Called by: Blob Judge: Michael Judgement: TRUE Judge selection: Eligible: Michael, Murphy, Palnatoke, Peekee, t, Wes Not eligible: Caller: Bob Barred: - Had their turn: Blob, Chuck, Crito, Elysion, harvel, Kolja, Lee Already served: - Defaulted: - By request: - On Hold: elJefe, Steve ====================================================================== History: Called by Blob: 12 Nov 1999 12:41:18 +1100 Assigned to Michael: 13 Nov 1999 11:03:17 -0800 Judged TRUE by Michael: 18 Nov 1999 10:36:54 +0000 Judgement Distributed: 18 Nov 1999 16:30:41 -0800 Motion 1178.1 Granted by Michael: 19 Nov 1999 11:48:07 +0000 ===================================================================== Caller's Arguments: Rule 1729 says in part "Nor shall a Player Vote in public, only to Assessor." Plainly the first half of this prohibits voting in the public forum, but the second half might reasonably be interpreted as allowing voting privately to the Assessor. R1764 would otherwise prohibit such private voting when the prevaling mode of voting is Public, but R1729 takes precedence in this conflict. ====================================================================== Evidence attached by the Caller: Rule 1764/5 (Power=1) Modes of Voting (a) There are three possible modes of voting on Proposals, Elections and Referenda: Public, Private and Unrestricted. The prevailing mode for each of each of Proposals, Elections and Referenda is initially Public. (b) (1) The Assessor may change the prevailing mode of voting for Proposals, with Support. (2) The Registrar may change the prevailing mode of voting for Elections, with Support. (3) The prevailing mode of Referenda is always Public. (c) When the Voting Period on a Proposal, Election or Referendum begins, the mode of voting for that Proposal, Election or Referendum is set to the prevailing mode for that kind of vote. Once set in this manner, the mode of voting cannot be changed. (d) (1) If the mode of voting is Public, then any other Rule to the contrary notwithstanding, the casting of any votes, or the declaration of Presence, by Voting Entities on that Proposal, Election or Referendum, may only be achieved by sending a message to the Public Forum. (2) If the mode of voting is Private, then any other Rule to the contrary notwithstanding, the casting of any votes, or the declaration of Presence, by Voting Entities on that Proposal, Election or Referendum, may only be achieved by sending a message privately to the Vote Collector. (3) If the mode of voting is Unrestricted, then any other Rule to the contrary notwithstanding, the casting of any votes, or the declaration of Presence, by Voting Entities on that Proposal, Election or Referendum, may be achieved by sending a message either publically or privately. Rule 1729/2 (Power=1) Insanity An Interested Proposal is Insane, if it contains no minuscule letter. (That is the opposite of CAPITAL, for those who know not better.) For such a Proposal, until the Voting Period has ended: there shall be no discussing Votes, or this Rule has been bended. Nor shall a Player Vote in public, only to Assessor. The Votes shall be unknown to others, even employer and professor. And should at the end, Votes FOR plainly lack, The wicked Proposer shall be Maniac. ====================================================================== Judge's Arguments: As Blob argues, R1729 "Insanity" takes precedence over R1764 "Modes of Voting", by virtue of its lower number. R1729 seems to require private voting on Insane proposals, while R1764 and the fact that the mode of voting for Proposals is currently Public, requires Public voting. The only way in which this statement might be seen to be FALSE would be to claim that the phrase "Nor shall a Player Vote in public, only to Assessor" from R1729 forbids voting in Public but does not simultaneously permit voting directly to the Assessor. It is not inconceivable that one rule should require a Player to perform something while another should forbid it, and one might argue that this was the situation here. Personally, I do not find this line of reasoning convincing in the case at hand. A perfectly reasonably interpretation exists without requiring the contortions of the argument above. Therefore I uphold the claimant's reasoning, and return a judgement of TRUE. ======================================================================