From: To: agora-off Subject: OFF: CFJ 1176 judged FALSE Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 11:09 AM ====================================================================== CFJ 1176 A message sent to agora-discussion and received by the intended recipient(s) has full legal effect, unless the Rules exclude agora-discussion as a legally effective method of delivery for that message. ====================================================================== Called by: Murphy Judge: Kolja Judgement: FALSE Judge selection: Eligible: Kolja, Lee, Michael, Palnatoke, t, Wes Not eligible: Caller: Murphy Barred: harvel, Peekee Had their turn: Blob, Chuck, Crito, Elysion, harvel Already served: - Defaulted: - By request: - On Hold: elJefe, Steve ====================================================================== History: Called by Murphy: 06 Nov 1999 13:33:09 -0800 Assigned to Kolja: 07 Nov 1999 12:42:56 -0800 Judged by Kolja: 13 Nov 1999 13:44:52 +0100 Judgement Distributed: As of this message ===================================================================== Caller's Arguments: ====================================================================== Evidence attached by the Caller: ====================================================================== Judge's Arguments: as far as i can tell, the rules never mention agora-discussion, so the part of the statement after 'unless' is currently irrelevant. i'm taking it to refer to the rules as they are now, not as they may be at some point of time in the future. i also interpret the 'exclude' in the statement as 'exclude explicitly', because otherwise the statement becomes 'a message ... has legal effect unless it doesn't have legal effect.', which is a bit pointless imho. the first part of the statement is a) unclear because it is not obvious who the intended recipient(s) are and b) false because there is a counter example: many messages must be sent to the public forum to have legal effect (one simple example being the birthday messages of r1727); this currently does not include a-d. r478 does allow using arbitratry media to play the role of a public forum, potentially including a-d, but under more severe preconditions than those mentioned in the statement: such a message must reach _all_ players of agora, not just the 'intended receiver(s), and it must be marked explicitly as a message intended for the public forum. ====================================================================== Evidence attached by the Judge: from r478: Sending a message, by any medium or combination of media, to every Active Player, is equivalent to sending it to the Public Forum, provided that the message bears a clear indication that it is intended to be a message to the Public Forum, and it is verifiable that the message was in fact sent to every Active Player. ======================================================================