====================================================================== CFJ 1155 Honourary Players of Agora are considered Registered Players of Agora by entities which exist entirely outside the Agora Nomic Rules. ====================================================================== Called by: The Colonel Judge: Michael Judgement: DISMISSED Judge selection: Eligible: Annabel, Beefurabi, Blob, Chuck, Crito, elJefe, Elysion, harvel, Kolja, Michael, Murphy, Palnatoke, Peekee, Wes Not eligible: Caller: The Colonel Barred: - Had their turn: - Already served: - Defaulted: - By request: - On Hold: Lee, Oerjan, Steve ====================================================================== History: Called by The Colonel: 08 Aug 1999 11:14:51 -0700 Assigned to Michael: 10 Aug 1999 06:55:11 -0700 ===================================================================== Caller's Arguments: I think this should be ruled false. Rule 869/7 (Registered Players) says: A Player is any person who is registered as a Player. A person is Registered to play when e sends a message to the Public Forum requesting Registration; this Rule defers to Rules which would prevent such a Registration. The Honourary Player rule says: Honourary Players are not considered to be Players with respect to the Rules or any other Nomic Entity within Agora Nomic, but shall be considered Players of Agora Nomic to all persons, organizations, nomics and other entities which exist entirely outside of the Agora Nomic Rules. These seem to imply that Honourary Players of Agora, to the outside world, are Players, but are not Registered. ====================================================================== Evidence attached by the Caller: ====================================================================== Judge's Arguments: I dismiss this statement on the grounds that it does not relate to a matter relevant to the rules. (See R1565, para 2, clause iii.) Rule 1904 notwithstanding (and see below for doubts on its wording), where human beings are concerned (as opposed to virtual constructions of the law), the law can not make a statement about their behaviour and have it be true by fiat. If the statement above was "The rules require external entities to consider Honourary Players as Registered Players of Agora" then one might be more inclined to find in favour. The crux of the matter is that even though the rules can probably be said to require this consideration, this requirement can not bring it about. Indeed, it could not bring it about even if the rule were expressing some constraint on actual Players. As it is, the statement above is entirely a matter of fact (i.e., akin to "The world's longest river is the Nile.") and not a matter of law at all. I also have serious misgivings about the second paragraph of Rule 1904 "Honourary Players", which states in part that "[Honourary Players]... shall be considered Players of Agora Nomic *to* all persons, organizations, nomics and other entities which exist entirely outside of the Agora Nomic Rules". (Emphasis with *'s mine.) The normal preposition used to indicate the subject in sentences in the passive voice is "by". Thus, "The fish was eaten by Sarah", or "I was made to realise my mistake by the clerk". Indeed, it is this usage that appears in the statement of the CFJ above. However, Rule 1904 uses "to". What sense can we make of this? There are two possibilities: i) we decide to ignore that provision of the rule entirely on the grounds that its sense can not be determined; or ii) we attempt to deduce some sense from it, and hope that judicial precedent will carry some weight Having to interpret legislation written in the passive voice doesn't make life any easier, but I suggest that the following interpretation is possible if we allow option ii) above: * the subject of the "consider action" is Agora and/or its ruleset considered as some sort of collective entity * the use of "to" suggests that this entity should answer the question "As what do you consider Honorary Players?" depending on who is "asking" it. If an external entity asks the ruleset/Agora about an Honourary Player, this rule requires us to say that they are a Registered Player; otherwise, for our internal purposes, they are not Players at all. I am not particularly fond of this interpretation and would be happy to see us adopt possibility i) above instead. In any case, my judgement stands: the statement is dismissed. ======================================================================