====================================================================== CFJ 1104 The presence in a Rule of deference clause, claiming that the Rule defers to another Rule, does not prevent a conflict with the other Rule arising, but shows only how the Rule says that conflict is to be resolved when it does arise. ====================================================================== Judge: Proglet Judgement: TRUE Eligible: Antimatter, Blob, Chuck, Crito, General Chaos, Harlequin, Kolja A., lee, Macross, Morendil, Murphy Not eligible: Caller: Steve Barred: Michael Disqualified: - On hold: elJefe, Oerjan, Swann ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selection of second judge: On Hold: elJefe, Oerjan, Swann Caller: Steve Barred: Michael ex-Judge: Harlequin Eligible: Antimatter, Blob, Chuck, Crito, General Chaos, Kolja A., lee, Macross, Morendil, Murphy, Proglet (Rolled a 10 on a 0-10 sided dice; selection is Proglet) ====================================================================== History: Called by Steve, Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:24:59 +1000 Assigned to Harlequin, Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:21:31 +0100 Harleqin defaults Proglet assigned, Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:01:45 +0100 Judged TRUE, Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:50:45 EDT (no hour offset known) Motion 1 granted, Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:50:45 EDT (no hour offset known) Published, Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:38:35 +0100 ====================================================================== Judgement: TRUE Reasons and arguments: In the absence of any other ruling discovered by this judge, either in the ruleset or in the history of past judgements, the decision comes down to one of common sense and definition. The wwwebsters states (for defer) in part: intransitive senses : to submit to another's wishes, opinion, or governance usually through deference or respect (also see yield) This judge finds that the process of a "defer" gives away the power that the rule has to make an effect. No part of the process of defering prevents the preconditions of the rule from being true unless specifically stated. This judge finds the caller's arguments reasonable, as with the suggested motion. ====================================================================== (Caller's) Arguments: The Statement follows from two assumptions, both of which it would be extremely difficult to reject. 1. The Mirror Image Assumption Precedence and deference are converse relations, logical mirror images of each other. This simply means that if A claims to take precedence over B, then this is logically equivalent to B's claiming to defer to A. 2. The Conflict Assumption When A claims to take precedence over B, this does not prevent a conflict between A and B arising. Rather we say that the conflict exists, but is resolved in favour of A (other things being equal). By the Conflict Assumption, precedence claims do not make conflicts disappear, they just show how to resolve them when they arise. But by the Mirror Image Assumption, the situation in which A claims to take precedence over B is equivalent to one in which B claims to defer to A. So this situation too must be one in which the conflict is not made to disappear. This what the Statement claims. ====================================================================== Motions ------- 1. Motion to Annotate: I hereby file a Motion with the Judge of the CFJ requesting that e Order the Rulekeepor to Annotate Rule 1030 with a copy of the Statement. -- Steve ======================================================================