====================================================================== CFJ 1091 The Proposal titled "Electees" submitted by Harlequin on 02 April, 1998 had a priority of one as of 09 April, 1998. ====================================================================== Judge: Chuck Judgement: TRUE Eligible: Antimatter, Blob, Chuck, elJefe, Harlequin, Jester, Kolja A., Michael, Morendil, Murphy, Sherlock, Steve, Swann, Time Agent Not eligible: Caller: Crito Barred: - Disqualified: - On hold: General Chaos, Oerjan ====================================================================== History: Called by Crito, Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:02:51 -0400 Assigned to Chuck, Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:07:50 +0100 Judged TRUE, Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:16:58 -0500 Published, Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:45:35 +0100 ====================================================================== Judgement: TRUE Reasons and arguments: I judge this statement to be TRUE, and generally agree with the Caller's arguments. I would phrase the matter a little differently than the Caller, though. Caller contends that R1802 causes a vacated TO to be "deprived of its direct effect", that of placing an obligation on the Recordkeepor to note the transfer. R1802 states "The effect of vacating an Order is to permanently deny the vacated Order from having any effect." I would argue that it is common sense, as well as in the best interests of the game, to intepret this to mean that vacating an Order denies the vacated Order from having any effect *from the time the Vacation occurs*. I do not believe that R1802 reverses any of the effects of a vacated Order which took place before the Vacation. Evidence: Rule 1802 Rule 1802/0 (Power=1) Vacation of Orders The effect of vacating an Order is to permanently deny the vacated Order from having any effect. Vacating an Order to Vacate reinstates the ability of the vacated Order to have effect, as of the moment the Order to Vacate is itself vacated. History: Created by Proposal 3704 (General Chaos), Mar. 19 1998 ====================================================================== (Caller's) Arguments: Harlequin payed one P-Note at the time e submitted this Proposal in order to raise the priority to one. Although e later vacated that particular Transfer Order, the priority of "Electees" had already been raised, and there is no Rule that causes the priority to be reduced when the TO is vacated. The argument has been put forth that R1802 accomplishes this. However, I contend that R1802 causes a vacated Order to be deprived of its direct effect, that of placing an obligation on someone to perform some action, but does cause the reversal any collateral effects that occured only indirectly, as a result of the action having been performed. To support this view, I point to the Rules for vacating Payment Orders that have been satisfied. The Rules indicate that the indirect effects of a vacated PO, causing a TO to be issued and a transfer to have occurred, are not simply reversed by the vacation of the PO. Instead a new PO must be issued and another transfer take place to complete the vacation. ======================================================================