From - Sat Jun 24 13:11:18 2000 Status: R Return-Path: Received: from gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au ([131.170.42.16]) by farley.mail.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id sl3fc9.103a.37kbi1c for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA19882 for agora-official-list; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:59:27 GMT Received: from fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (fw-in.serc.rmit.edu.au [131.170.42.1]) by gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA19879 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:59:25 GMT From: magika@aracnet.com Received: (from mail@localhost) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA75618 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:09:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com(216.99.193.38) by fw.serc.rmit.edu.au via smap (V2.1) id xma075616; Thu, 22 Jun 00 17:09:11 +1000 Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01513 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:08:09 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id AAA04808; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:08:04 -0700 Message-Id: <200006220708.AAA04808@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: OFF: CFJ 1231 Judged TRUE by Peekee To: agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au (agora-off) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:08:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: agora-discussion@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: sl3fc9.103a.37kbi1c ============================== CFJ 1231 ============================== t, acting as Executor of the Zombie Novalis, caused Novalis to cast four votes AGAINST Proposal 4018. ======================================================================== Called by: Steve Judge: Peekee Judgement: TRUE Judge selection: Eligible: Peekee, Taral, Wes Not eligible: Caller: Steve Barred: Kelly, lee Had eir turn: Chuck, Elysion, harvel, Kelly, Murphy, Palnatoke, Sherlock, Steve, t Already served: - Defaulted: - Previously Defaulted: Harlequin, Sherlock By request: Blob, Crito, Michael On Hold: Palnatoke Zombie: Anthony, Harlequin, Novalis, Schneidster ======================================================================== History: Called by Steve: 20 Jun 2000 10:15:59 +1000 Assigned to Peekee: 20 Jun 2000 18:44:18 -0700 Judged TRUE by Peekee: 21 Jun 2000 21:28:32 BST Judgement Distributed: As of this message ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: Instead of offerring arguments for a particular Judgement, I'll restrict myself to presenting facts and evidence, and let the Judge reach eir own conclusions. The facts are these: 1. Novalis is a Zombie. 2. Novalis' Master is t. 3. The Voting Period of Proposal 4018 concluded at Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:11:44 (escribe time, I believe GMT+0500.) See Evidence 1. 4. t attempted to cause Novalis to cast four votes AGAINST P4018 on Sunday, 18 Jun 2000 12:06:57 (again, escribe time). See Evidence 2. The point at issue is how the requirements of R1478 are to be interpreted. R1478 requires that a Player who acts on behalf of another Player must "make it clear" that e is doing so. See Evidence 3. ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: ----- 1. Taral's distribution of Proposal 4018, dated Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:11:44 (escribe time). (Excerpt) [Still moving...] This Week's Current Batch, as set at the beginning of this Nomic Week, consists of the following Proposals, which are hereby distributed: #4017: [Elysion] Taral's Work for All, Again (AI=2, Democratic) #4018: [Kelly] Property and Democracy (AI=2, Democratic) #4019: [t] Fix Wins (Ordinary) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2. t's voting message, dated Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:06:57 (escribe time). Novalis votes four times AGAINST 4018. tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttteemu korkiakangas http://www.iki.fi/scurra/ TTTTTT scurra@iki.fi ----- 3. Rule 1478/4 Executors The Executor of an entity is a Player who is empowered by the Rules to act on behalf of that entity, as if e were that entity. Except when the Rules stipulate otherwise, a Player is eir own Executor. Any other entity has an Executor only when the Rules specify either a Player or a means to designate a Player to be the Executor of that entity. Whenever a Player is acting on behalf of some entity of which e is the Executor other than emself, e must make it clear that e is doing so. If such a Player fails to clearly indicate that e is acting as the Executor of some other entity, it shall be presumed that e is acting on eir own behalf. Only a person or an entity with a Player Executor may perform actions. ======================================================================== Judge's Arguments: >----- 2. t's voting message, dated Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:06:57 (escribe >time). > > >Novalis votes four times AGAINST 4018. > > tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttteemu korkiakangas > http://www.iki.fi/scurra/ >TTTTTT scurra@iki.fi > > >----- 3. Rule 1478/4 > >Executors > > The Executor of an entity is a Player who is empowered by the > Rules to act on behalf of that entity, as if e were that entity. T acted as if e was Novalis. > > Except when the Rules stipulate otherwise, a Player is eir own > Executor. Any other entity has an Executor only when the Rules > specify either a Player or a means to designate a Player to be > the Executor of that entity. > > Whenever a Player is acting on behalf of some entity of which e > is the Executor other than emself, e must make it clear that e > is doing so. If such a Player fails to clearly indicate that e > is acting as the Executor of some other entity, it shall be > presumed that e is acting on eir own behalf. In the message it is clear that T is acting on behalf of Novalis and not for emself. There fore this should be Judged TRUE. ========================================================================